Online Satsang of July 24, 2024

[Dhyan Mikael:] Welcome to tonight's Online Satsang.

I am happy that you are here. Welcome.

Here in Online Satsang, you have the opportunity to ask me questions if you like, and I will try to say something about it. You can do this either in the chat via the YouTube broadcast or in the Zoom broadcast. You can also speak directly to me if you want to. You can do this via Zoom; then you just need to give a hand signal in the Zoom app.

Simone will see it and then make sure that you can speak to me. And if there are no questions here online, I still have some email questions that I can read out and answer. And that's what we're doing here for an hour and a half tonight. And I am very happy to be here again today and to be with you and with you all. It is just a blessing and a joy for me.

Simone, are there any questions on your side yet?

[Simone:] No, there are currently no questions on my side, Mikael.

Expanding consciousness despite old karma?

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[Dhyan Mikael:] Fine. Then I'll start here with an email that I'll read out.

"I am unclear about the concept of karma, especially good karma. That's why I watched your video on the topic of karma, and it was very helpful. I can understand some things better now, but there are still many questions. Do I understand correctly that if someone had a good life in their previous life, where they succeeded in many things and saw all of this as their personal merit, then they will get another good life in the next life and thus a new chance to shed their ego and see the good life as a gift from Heaven?

And what if he does not learn this again in the present life? Can a good life not also be the result of a previous life in which the person has learned many things and done them right? If consciousness expands, is it possible to dissolve all remaining karma, good and bad, in a single life, even if there is still a large karmic burden? Or is the expansion of consciousness only possible if there are no more heavy karmic burdens?"

Thank you very much for the question. Yes, these terms like karma are very difficult to understand, especially for us here in the West, because they don't come from our culture. Swamiji speaks very often about karma.

And before I answer your question, I have to say that I only know what I have heard from Swamiji. So, all I can say is my understanding of what I hear from Swamiji on this subject. And he has spoken on it again and again. He has spoken about it in many of his darshans, in his discourses. In his autobiography there is a lot about it. So, if you want, you can always go straight to the source.

I just want to mention this again and again, although of course I am totally happy to talk about it and also totally happy to answer you and your questions, that I share my experiences and my understanding of things here, but that it all comes from Swamiji, and that of course I cannot interpret him. I also can't explain Swamiji because I am simply a disciple myself, like you. So, I just wanted to mention this first.

You formulated it correctly in your question. Karma is created when we do things, regardless of whether they are good or bad things, and we have the feeling that "I am doing it"... If I then have the feeling: "Ah, I'm great, I've done something great", or if I have the feeling that I've done something bad; then that creates ego.

That reinforces the ego; that reinforces this 'I', this identification. That is basically the core of karma: when a person does things and thinks "I do this". The burden of karma is, so to speak, the ego that has arisen in the process; the sense of 'I' that has arisen in the process. And we take this ego feeling, this burden, with us into the next life.

And in the next life, for instance in this life where you are right now, you then have the opportunity to discover that this 'I' does not actually exist.

And once you have discovered that, it becomes interesting.

Then, for the first time, you have the choice, so to speak, to carry on living your life now and let things happen, good things or things that you don't think are so good, without the feeling of being the doer. And if you can do that, then the ego gradually evaporates.

It's like this: we come into this life, into this body, to reduce the karma of the past life, or, to translate it into Western terms: to reduce the sense of ego that arose in the previous life.

But then we live this new life and do things in this new life, and we usually do them again in a way that creates a new sense of 'I': "I'm good, I did well. I am bad, I have done badly. This was done to me, this was given to me"... And then we are at the end of this life and have built up a new burden of ego. And that's why this karma wheel that the Indians talk about goes on and on.

The old karma is dismantled, but we immediately start to build up a new ego feeling, and we can't get out of it by ourselves because we don't know how to live in a way that doesn't create a new feeling of 'I'. We just don't know that. And Swamiji explained it like this. He says: when you meet a Guru, one like Swamiji, then he takes away the karma of this present life.

He makes it possible for you to now learn to go on living your life without building up a new sense of 'I'. The old karma of the previous life, he says, everyone has to take care of themselves. You simply have to live through it. But he helps you to stop building up new karma, to stop creating a new sense of 'I'. And that's the trick. And then, this life can come to an end, and the old karma of the previous life is dissolved, and there is no new karma from this life.

We come into this life to reduce the karma of the past life: to reduce the sense of ego that arose in the previous life. But we live again in a way that creates a new sense of 'I', and we can't get out of it by ourselves because we don't know how to live in a way that doesn't create a new feeling of 'I'.

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The 'I' sense that remained in the previous life has dissolved, and now no new 'I' sense has been created. And that is only possible with a Guru. And with the Samarpan Meditation, you then learn in a very practical way to live without taking things personally, and then it really is as if life were happening by itself and you just look on in amazement, both at the good things and those where you still shake your head. But you no longer take it personally. It is as if you no longer have anything to do with it.

With Samarpan Meditation, you learn in a very practical way to live without taking things personally, and then it really is as if life were happening by itself and you just look on in amazement.

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You ask how it is: whether this expansion of consciousness can only happen once the burden of karma has been removed. It's actually the other way around. The Guru helps you to become conscious. He gives you self-knowledge, enlightenment, and he gives you Samarpan Meditation, which helps you to then really gradually learn to lead an enlightened life. And through this new awareness, it becomes possible for you to live in such a way that no new karma arises.

And the old karma... as I said, the old karma does not prevent you from learning this, but we have to live through it. We simply have to experience the things that this life has in store for us. But in my experience, once you start this process of becoming aware... Once you've met the Guru, once you've started meditating, then it happens very, very quickly. And Swamiji also said something beautiful about it.

He says: if you meditate and are with the Guru... Through the Guru, you are connected to an incredibly large collectivity of souls who are also on this path, and then it is as if you no longer experience so intensely what you have to live through, this old karma burden, as you call it, what we have brought with us from the previous life. We still have to experience it, no one can avoid it, but it gets easier.

There is this beautiful passage in Swamiji's Karma-Free Meditation where he says: we no longer feel the pain and the sting of the old karma that we are living through. We always have to live through it, but it is as if it no longer affects us so much, and then at some point it is completely gone. That is my experience.

And that is why it's best to simply accept everything that happens in this life, everything that comes your way, with gratitude. Once you understand karma, then you know: everything that comes your way is a help. Nothing comes in life that is not necessary. And if something comes along that is difficult for me, then I can know: "Yes, that still has to be now."

And the more willing I can simply accept it, and the more impersonally I can take it, the easier it is. And then no new karma arises. And then, at the end, at the end of this life, I am free – free from karma; free from the feeling of being someone who does something or to whom something happens.

Once you understand karma, then you know: everything is a help. And the more willing I can simply accept it, the easier it is. And then no new karma arises. And then, at the end of this life I am free – free from karma; free from the feeling of being someone who does something or to whom something happens.

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And that is the great blessing of a Guru, that he helps you with this turnaround.

Otherwise, you experience all kinds of great things in this life, you might become enlightened or something else, or what you think it is, but at the end of this life you're just an enlightened 'me', and then you still haven't progressed a single inch. It's not about feeling holy; it's about losing this strange identity, this sense of 'I' and this feeling that I am acting and that I am doing things.

It's not about feeling holy; it's about losing this strange identity, this sense of 'I' and this feeling that I am acting and that I am doing things.

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Thank you for your question. Thank you very much.

Is everything predetermined by the Divine?

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[Simone:] Mikael, there are no new questions for you from the chat yet.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Fine, then I'll continue here.

"Who is the doer? Doesn't everything in life happen the way the divine has wished it for me, even if the mind or the ego has other ideas? And isn't the script, the movie of life with all the events and all the people and situations that go with it, already finished and we, the divine, are watching it? If it is so, would it then be our only freedom to welcome everything as it is, free of any judgment?"

Thank you, thank you for your question. It really fits perfectly with what has just been asked, and that is pure coincidence. I didn't sort the questions together at all, it just happened by itself. Yes, in a way, the script for this life is really set by us ourselves. Through the good and bad deeds we left behind in the previous life which we attribute to ourselves: this sense of 'I', this karma, ensures that precisely such things now emerge in this life to help us live through these old identifications, dissolve them and make them disappear.

And you're right: if we manage to simply accept all that is happening in this life, for the first time, without having the feeling that "it's happening to me" or "I am doing this", "I'm doing something great", "I'm doing something bad" or "something terrible is happening to me" or "something wonderful is happening to me because I'm so great", but when we just experience it without judgment, without taking it personally... That is the opportunity in this life. That's why we are here: to learn that.

Through the good and bad deeds we left behind in the previous life which we attribute to ourselves: this sense of 'I', this karma, ensures that precisely such things now emerge in this life to help us live through these old identifications and make them disappear.

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And that is in fact the only freedom we have. But this freedom has it all. So it is like this that in principle, this script for this life is tailor-made for you so that you have an easy time in this life, finally get rid of this 'I' sense, to become free of karma and then to live in such a way that no new 'I' sense arises. Or, to put it in other words; to live without having the feeling of being the one who does this or to whom this happens.

If we manage to accept all that is happening in this life, without having the feeling that "it's happening to me" or "I am doing this", but when we just experience it without taking it personally... That's why we are here: to learn that.

And that is the only freedom we have. But this freedom has it all.

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Yes, that's how it is in life. That is the meaning and purpose of this wonderful life we have here.

So it is like this that this life is tailor-made for you to finally get rid of this 'I' sense, to become free of karma and to live in such a way that no new 'I' sense arises; without having the feeling of being the one who does this or to whom this happens. That is the meaning of this wonderful life we have.

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Thank you for your question.

How do you know?

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[Simone:] Still no questions, Mikael.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Ah, great, then I can continue here. That's great.

"May I ask you how you know that God is so close in despair?"

Thank you for this question. I received this question after I posted a quote on Facebook from one of my videos where I claimed exactly that: that it is precisely in these feelings that we don't like, precisely in despair, that God is so close. And you ask how I know that. I said that in the video because that is my personal experience. That's how I know. And you can find out for yourself. If you are experiencing a very intense feeling that is really difficult for you... For example, if you feel desperate or totally wrong, then your normal reaction is to not want to have this feeling.

But you also have another option. You can also simply feel the feeling that you sense inside you, this energy that you sense inside you. Simply welcome it; give the feeling space, so to speak; let it come very close to you, almost as if you were in this feeling, without resisting it; without wanting it to go away; without judging or condemning it. And when you do that, you will realize something quite amazing. I personally had such an experience again just today, and I'm actually still having it right now.

Early this evening, I was once again triggered by a really nice, old feeling that just made me sad, sad and very, yes, very subdued. And then: to just let it happen, as if you were letting yourself be carried; as if you were putting yourself in the hands of this feeling and bathing in it, very quietly... Then it really is as if I'm being carried. I still feel the same way, but suddenly it's a blessing. Suddenly it's like a gift for me; as if I've come to a place where I'm lifted up, where I'm carried – into God's lap. And I've experienced that again and again and again.

And then: to just let it happen, as if you were letting yourself be carried; putting yourself in the hands of this feeling and bathing in it, very quietly... I still feel the same way, but suddenly it's a blessing; as if I've come to a place where I'm lifted up, where I'm carried – into God's lap.

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And that's why I say that God is so close in despair – if we allow despair to be close to us. If you don't want despair, if you keep it away from you, then you experience something else. But if you become completely intimate with it, totally close, then it is really as if you are not only letting despair get close to you, but also God – or yourself.

That's why I say that God is so close in despair – if we allow despair to be close to us. If you don't want despair, then you experience something else. But if you become completely intimate with it, then it is as if you are not only letting despair get close to you, but also God – or yourself.

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I have also said this before: when you welcome these feelings that you usually don't actually want to have... what you then experience is that you actually love yourself and welcome yourself. You then find comfort and support in these feelings, although you thought that the feeling is the problem, when in fact it is the help which helps you to come to yourself, inside. And that's where you find God.

When you welcome these feelings that you usually don't want to have... what you then experience is that you love yourself. You find support in these feelings, although you thought that the feeling is the problem, when in fact it is the help which helps you to come to yourself, inside. And that's where you find God.

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Yes, that's right. Thank you for your question.

Colleague karma

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[Simone:] You're welcome to keep reading, Mikael.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Oh, great. I love answering questions when people have them in the chat, but I'm also happy to keep reading. "I have a colleague who constantly tries to provoke me, annoys me and probably misjudges me. But she's like that with a lot of colleagues. It really annoys me. What can I do? It's been going on for years."

Thank you. Yes, who hasn't experienced that?

This brings us back to the topic of karma. There are things that happen to us all the time and we are just totally irritated or annoyed by them. But once you start to accept life as it is, including those colleagues, then you start to accept what is triggered in me by such incidents. Once I have the suspicion that in reality this is possibly a gift, even if I don't understand it at all, then I allow it to get close to me.

And when I then feel these feelings... With a colleague like that: how do you feel? You get annoyed, you get angry, you perhaps feel helpless, powerless. And then you feel these feelings, silently and secretly inside yourself, again and again, again and again: then that what we talked about earlier happens.

Then this old karma is broken down, which means: I learn to accept these things without thinking "I don't want this"; without thinking "but this should be different"; without thinking "but I want to have a different life"; without this 'I' sense, so to speak. Simply saying: "Okay, that's how it is. All right, that's how I feel now. That's just the way it is."

You feel these feelings, silently and secretly inside yourself, again and again: then this old karma is broken down, which means: I learn to accept these things without thinking "I don't want this"; without thinking "but this should be different"; without thinking "but I want to have a different life"; without this 'I' sense.

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And my personal experience in my life... Of course, I've often experienced this too, things like this, experiences that come back again and again and again, where I don't know what to do. You can't do anything anyway. You can't change your colleague, and if you were to change jobs because of her, I'm sure you'd have someone similar in your next job because our karma follows us.

That's just the way it is. And my personal experience is: when you make friends with it; when you feel and accept these feelings and stop fighting against what it triggers in me, then it changes on the outside. It really is magical. I've experienced this countless times.

My personal experience is: when you make friends with it; when you feel and accept these feelings and stop fighting against what it triggers in me, then it changes on the outside. It really is magical. I've experienced this countless times.

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And the less I fight against something in my life, emotionally, internally, the fewer problems I have.

They are then simply gone. And the things that used to trigger these problems then simply disappear.

We usually try to do it the other way around. Normally we try to find out: what do I have to do so that this colleague doesn't do this again? Maybe you then talk to her, but then you realize: there's no point. On the contrary, she'll just enjoy annoying you even more. Or you get help and do mediation or something else. But that doesn't make the actual problem go away. The real challenge is to make peace with what this triggers in me. Then it will go away. I promise you.

Normally we try to find out: what do I have to do so that this colleague doesn't do this again? Maybe you talk to her or you do mediation. But that doesn't make the problem go away. The real challenge is to make peace with what this triggers in me. Then it will go away. I promise you.

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Thank you.

The collective guilt of masculinity

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May I continue?

[Simone:] Yes. Please.

[Dhyan Mikael:] This is a man writing. One of the few men who write. Often, it's only women. "I have the feeling that I simply can't really enter my deepest vulnerability, or only for very brief moments. Where intimacy happens or could happen, my system very quickly goes into closure, shame and fear. It's very difficult to stay in the body as soon as feelings of lust come up in me, which happens at some point every one or two weeks.

The body just wants sexuality and, at some point, a release of this energy. I wish I could really stand in the light with my lust and this whole dance instead of stowing everything away in the basement again and again. Do you have any other advice? Just totally let the shame be here? Stay in the fire? Not believe the thoughts? Feel what's happening in the body without judgment and without wanting it to be different?"

Oh, thank you. Thank you. I'm always very happy when men's issues like this are addressed, because men often have a particularly hard time with such things. As a man, you can really feel very wrong when it comes to sexuality.

What I would advise you to do is to be really, really patient with yourself and otherwise just do what you have already suggested. Yes: really just experience how it is for you, again and again, and gradually learn to experience it without judgment and condemnation. Yes, you experience sexual feelings, and it triggers panic, shame and fear in you. And then you think: "But I shouldn't be ashamed of it, I shouldn't be afraid of it, I should be able to experience it confidently."

But just being who you are: this kind of uptight, messed up person who just has a huge thing with these completely normal feelings that are part of life... and you don't even know why.

You don't need to live out anything, you don't need to make anything good happen. But just learning to say, "Okay, this is how I am. This is how it is for me."

To check, so to speak, whether this is really a problem: the way you are. Everything in you says: there is a problem with you. Shame is a problem and sexual feelings are a problem. The body signaling the desire to have a discharge is also a problem. But to gradually dare to experience what it's really like for you.... that's my advice. And that takes time.

Everything in you says: there is a problem with you. Shame is a problem and sexual feelings are a problem. But to gradually dare to experience what it's really like for you.... that's my advice.

And that takes time.

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I'm also a man in this life, and I haven't had the same feelings as you in this sexual area, but what I can say is that I've always been unrelaxed my whole life when it came to sex. I used to always think I enjoy sex. I actually thought I like it. But at some point I realized that I'm not relaxed about it at all and that I actually don't know at all what's happening because I'm not really here emotionally.

And then it took five, ten years when I was with Soham and learned to feel my feelings; not just in that area, but all my feelings, everywhere; to slowly get to know myself; to accept my feelings; to accept myself as I am. And then also to discover how I feel in this sexual area and to make peace with it. And then to discover more and more how I actually feel: completely unrelaxed; totally insecure; always afraid of making a huge mistake.

I used to think I enjoy sex. But at some point I realized that I'm not relaxed about it at all and that I don't know what's happening because I'm not here emotionally.

And then to discover more and more how I actually feel: completely unrelaxed; totally insecure; always afraid of making a huge mistake.

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Women have this age-old legacy, which has been passed down for generations and generations, that terrible things have been done to them. And men have this age-old burden that what men can potentially do are terrible things, and we men have that in us, even if you're a man in this life who has never done anything bad. But we have that in us. Maybe that also comes from the previous life. We talked about karma earlier.

Who knows what I did in my previous life? But even if it's not that: as a man, you know about this collective guilt of the masculine – let me put it this way. And with everything you feel and want in the sexual sphere, especially when you start to become aware, when you start to get to know yourself and observe yourself self-critically, then you think: for God's sake, I must not under any circumstances make a mistake here too.

As a man, you know about this collective guilt of the masculine – let me put it this way. And with everything you feel and want in the sexual sphere, especially when you start to become aware, you think: for God's sake, I must not under any circumstances make a mistake here too.

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And at some point in my life as a man, I had the feeling that by gradually making peace with it – and as I said: it took years – it was as if I was paying off a debt and making peace with something that is not mine at all, but which is part of this man-woman situation and this man-woman society because of the past we had with each other, the two sexes.

So don't take it personally – and be patient. It's not at all important that something changes. But what's really a blessing is when you can come to peace with it as it is now. That is the great gift.

It's not at all important that something changes. But what's really a blessing is when you can come to peace with it as it is now. That is the great gift.

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And whether you can then enjoy sexuality in a relaxed way or not will then become secondary at some point. It probably will, that's how it was for me. But the real gift is this peace and this relaxation that comes then. And you don't even know... Peace with what? With something ancient.

A Guru once said, I can't remember who it was: when we awaken, when we become aware, when we arrive here, it is as if we are redeeming our parents through this and probably many more generations before that, and that's how it really feels to me. We don't even know what we're making peace with. It's really like we are removing an old burden. And when you do that willingly, when you say, so to speak: "Okay, I don't know where this came from. I don't care at all: it's here now, and now I'll take care of it", then this great blessing happens to you that you come in peace.

When we awaken, when we become aware, when we arrive here, it is as if we are redeeming our parents through this and many more generations before that. We don't even know what we're making peace with. It's like we are removing an old burden.

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I experienced that with my father. My dad was a great guy, but completely unaware, and he did hair-raising things. He wasn't evil. He wasn't a bad person, but he was totally unconscious.

And his father, he was even more unconscious. You can't even imagine all the things that happened. And we are now the generation that is allowed to become conscious: the huge gift. It is such a gift. And it is a task. And the task is very, very simple: to make peace with how you feel now and how you feel as a man. I understand you so well. There is all this old stuff, and saying 'yes' to it willingly and, if you can, joyfully – that's the way.

My dad was a great guy, but completely unaware. And his father, he was even more unconscious.

And we are now the generation that is allowed to become conscious. It is such a gift. And it is a task. And the task is very, very simple: to make peace with how you feel now and how you feel as a man.

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Thank you. Thank you for your courage to ask and to write. Thank you so much.

Separation is like a death

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[Simone:] Now I have three questions for you, Mikael.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Ah, how nice, I'm very happy about that.

[Simone:] The first one comes from Martina. I'll read it out.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Hello Martina. Nice to have you here.

[Simone:] "Dear Mikael, I've been going through a separation process with my husband, with whom I lived for thirty years. This process is so infinitely sad, but I have to go this way. This sadness is physically very painful and palpable, and I sometimes feel so weak. And it is true that in these phases I am very connected to myself and to my heart. And when I am connected to my heart, there is a lot of openness and vulnerability and connectedness. Keep feeling it, you say, but it's also hard, isn't it?"

[Dhyan Mikael:] That's the most difficult and biggest task we have, and the only one, but it's a tough one.

And the task... I find it fascinating. Again and again, I have the feeling that feeling these feelings is actually quite easy, but getting ready to feel them again and again... like there's always this resistance to overcome – that's hard. To keep saying: "Yes, I feel it." And when I start to feel it, it's not bad at all. Then it's a gift. Then it's intense and it requires a lot of strength and a lot of energy, but it's a gift. But to keep getting to that point where you say "yes", that's really difficult.

And I feel the same way as you. When I go through phases like that, it is as if all my energy is spent on it, and the rest of my life is on the back burner. You go to work and do it all somehow, but as soon as you can, you have to take care of yourself again and nothing additional is possible. I know that too. Sometimes it feels like you can't even walk anymore, you can't even lift your arm because all your energy is used up digesting these things.

Feeling these feelings is actually quite easy, but getting ready to feel them – that's hard. To keep saying: "Yes, I feel it." And when I start to feel it, it's not bad at all. Then it's intense and it requires a lot of strength and a lot of energy, but it's a gift.

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And it's a real blessing that you can experience this so consciously and so willingly. It's a blessing for you.

And again... I mean, what you're asking isn't really a question at all. You're already doing great, but what I said to that man earlier, I can also say to you: really give yourself time for it. Don't wait for the end. Give yourself time for it. This is an infinitely fruitful time you're going through right now.

Really give yourself time for it. Don't wait for the end. Give yourself time for it. This is an infinitely fruitful time you're going through right now.

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There used to be a custom that when your spouse dies, you have a year of mourning. And there are some of these old customs that are infinitely wise; that simply spring from human reality. People knew that it takes a year to gradually get out of this task and through it and then have energy for new things again. And if you can really devote yourself to this task, if you give it space, then it really is a great blessing, and then you emerge reborn.

And your spouse has not died, but you are going through a separation, and something is dying. Something comes to an end. A part of you is dying, and that also takes a year of mourning; it takes time, and if you know that, then it's easier for you... when you know: "Ah, that's just the way it is. That's the way it is for humans."

And the more willing you are now to say 'yes' to it, to feel it... This is, so to speak, the preparation for the new birth that comes afterwards, inevitably.

Yes, and what helps me a lot with these things is Samarpan Meditation, simply because through it, I experience again and again, every day, that I am not this guy to whom all this happens. You simply rest in that space up there in the crown chakra, where there are no thoughts and, of course, no 'I'. When there are no thoughts, there is no 'I'.

And even if you only manage to do this for brief moments... Just this reminder every day: then it becomes so much easier to accept it and not take it personally. And I said earlier: if you meditate with this meditation and are connected with this Guru and this collectivity, then it really is as if thousands of other people are carrying it along and you don't actually need to do it alone. Then it also becomes easier.

What helps me a lot is Samarpan Meditation, because through it, I experience again and again that I am not this guy to whom all this happens.

You simply rest in that space up there in the crown chakra, where there are no thoughts and, of course, no 'I'.

When there are no thoughts, there is no 'I'.

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Thank you, Martina. Thank you. Everything is good.

Feeling without an "I" sense

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[Simone:] I would like to read out the next question.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Yes, please.

[Simone:] It comes from Chris.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Hello Chris.

[Simone:] "Dear Mikael, you've often talked about 'feeling wrong'. For me, this is always very triggering, but when I say 'yes, I'm wrong' to it, it's unbearable. Then I could just as well kill myself if I'm wrong anyway. That's how it feels. And then I'd rather walk away from people inside and separate myself again."

[Dhyan Mikael:] Thank you, Chris. So nice to hear from you again.

When I feel wrong... It's not that I then agree and say, "Okay, I am wrong, I am messed up," but I say 'yes' to this inner reality within me that I feel this way: "Okay, I feel messed up, totally wrong."

And then the first question simply is: am I ready to feel the way I feel now? And if I can say 'yes' to that, then I am close to myself. I still feel wrong, but I am no longer alone: I am with myself. If I feel wrong but don't want to, then I am all alone; then I abandon myself, so to speak.

And then the question is: am I ready to feel the way I feel now? And if I can say 'yes' to that, then I am close to myself. I still feel wrong, but I am no longer alone: I am with myself.

If I feel wrong but don't want to, I am all alone; then I abandon myself.

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And I am like you. When I have intense feelings like that, I usually want to be alone. And when someone triggers something like that, I usually withdraw so that I can be alone with my feelings and with myself. Then I can give this my attention; then I can give it time; then I can feel my feelings.

And I can do that best when I'm alone. And then, when I am alone and give myself enough time with it, then sooner or later I get to the point where I realize... I still feel shitty, but I get to the point where I realize: "Ah, this has nothing to do with the trigger."

Then I remember again, "I've known that feeling for forty or fifty or sixty years."

And then I still feel wrong, but then I know: "This is just this old task I have in this life: to make peace with it."

When I am alone and give myself enough time with it, then sooner or later I get to the point where I realize: "Ah, this has nothing to do with the trigger. I've known that feeling for sixty years."

I still feel wrong, but I know: "This is this old task I have in this life: to make peace with it."

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It's almost as if you then learn to feel wrong without taking it personally. As if it's a feeling that actually has nothing to do with you. And somehow, that's true. It really is like that. But we always take it incredibly personally at the beginning, and of course that doesn't make it any easier.

It's almost as if you then learn to feel wrong without taking it personally. As if it's a feeling that actually has nothing to do with you. And somehow, that's true. It really is like that. But we take it incredibly personally at the beginning, and of course that doesn't make it any easier.

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We talked about this karma at the beginning and what it actually is.

That's the core challenge. This feeling is so difficult for you because it makes you take it personally; in other words, it triggers your sense of 'I'. It reinforces this ego. That's completely normal. That's what these feelings do. And now learning to accept this feeling, without taking it personally and without building up new karma, that's the game that we are playing here. That's the point. And until we have learned to feel this feeling without taking it personally, that's how long it will happen. That is the gift.

This feeling is so difficult for you because it makes you take it personally; in other words, it triggers your sense of 'I'. It reinforces this ego. And now learning to accept this feeling, without taking it personally and without building up new karma, that's the game that we are playing here.

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That's what breaks the ego, very gradually. I'm not a karma specialist. I'm not a specialist at all. I'm just telling you the things that I have understood in my life so far, thanks to my Master Soham, thanks to Swamiji. But this is my personal experience with my own feelings that I can tell you here.

Thank you, Chris. I am happy you are here.

Doing that with which you can be happy

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[Simone:] Then I'll read Amala's question next.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Hello Amala, hello to you.

[Simone:] "Hello, Mikael. My mother is having her first chemo on Monday and she's very excited. My niece is looking after her every day and has interrupted her studies for a semester. Now I'm finally on vacation and she wants to go away for a few days with a friend and expects me to look after my mother during that time and stay overnight. I can take care of her, but I'm reluctant to spend the night there. She told me that I was only ever thinking about myself. That really hurt me. She also starts getting loud and that really goes against my grain. What would you do? Best regards, Amala."

[Dhyan Mikael:] Thank you.

Yes, we really don't get any support out there in the world for taking care of ourselves. It's just the way it is. And you can't blame people either. They've never learned it. And when someone around them starts to look after themselves, it's pure provocation, because it reminds them that they should actually be looking after themselves too, but they can't do it. And the game only works as long as everyone plays along. If everyone doesn't take care of themselves but only of others, then it seems to work somehow, in a bad way.

And the help that someone gives, even though they don't want it – even though they are going against themselves – always has poison built in; it always has burden built in. This is actually a terrible thing, but people don't know any better.

And if you only do a tenth of what other people do, but you do it with joy and dedication, then that's such a gift, that's such a blessing.

You ask what I would do here. I always do it like this... I do it like this: I don't try to do it properly in the sense of "I'm really true to myself now, I'm really taking care of myself now". I don't do that. But I'm also not doing it right in the sense of "I'm doing what I should be doing", namely helping my mother now, in your case, for example, and spending the night there even though I don't want to.

I look at what I can do so that I feel comfortable and at peace with myself. I want to give you an example. Let's say, when I put myself in your shoes, I realize: "Okay, there's something I'm ready to do, I can imagine it. There's something I can't imagine; I don't want that." And then I look at what is possible for me. Maybe I know: "I don't want to do that", but I also don't want to say that I won't do it. Sometimes 'being true to myself' is too difficult for me or it sucks, or it doesn't feel right somehow, and then I do the wrong thing, because it's more possible for me.

I don't know if I'm making myself understood.

I try to do things in a way that makes me feel at peace with myself. And sometimes I know that I don't want to do something, but I also know that it's not okay not to do it now. And I don't understand it. I don't know how... it doesn't fit together at all. It's like I'm not ready yet. Like I know what I want, but I don't know how to be with it.

There's something in there that I haven't learned yet or that I don't understand yet or... And in cases like that, I often... It doesn't happen often, it rarely happens, but when it does, then I do things where I don't seem to be true to myself, but I am true to myself because I only do what I can really do. I am not holier than I am. I am not stronger inside than I am. I just try to be the Mikael that I am.

And that's what I let guide me in these things. And you know, you can't trust yourself. What I'm saying right now comes from the fact that I keep realizing: I can't trust myself at all. In this life, you learn to take better and better care of yourself. In this life, you learn to be more and more true to yourself, but you don't really know what that means. And you never know: am I on an ego trip right now, or am I really learning to look after myself in a good way? You never know.

You feel your way forward in the dark, so to speak. And I have experienced time and again in my life that I was sometimes radically true to myself, and it was good. It was really good. And I've experienced being true to myself and then it just felt stupid. Somewhere in there was my ego, but that's just how I am. And I've also experienced being... My mother, for example. I have a mother too, and I've had times when she wanted me to visit her and I didn't really feel like it.

Then I do things where I don't seem to be true to myself, but I am true to myself because I only do what I can really do. I am not holier than I am. I am not stronger inside than I am. I just try to be the Mikael that I am. That's what I let guide me in these things.

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And when I initially feel what I want, I realize: I don't feel like it, I'm not going to do it. But then I realize after a while that I don't want to say 'no' either. And that's a sign for me that there still is something where I can't see clearly, otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with saying 'no'; otherwise, you could just say: "No, thank you very much for the invitation. I love you so much, but I'm not coming."

But when I realize that I'm not at peace with myself, then I still don't know what's right and wrong, but I realize: there is something for me to discover. And if I can't say 'no', then I just say 'yes'. And then I went there, and it was simply wonderful. I didn't go there with resentment, but with a sincere 'yes'. I made up my mind. I was open. And then it was valuable for me, and I learned and I had a good time and it was fruitful – to my own surprise.

When I realize that I'm not at peace with myself, then I still don't know what's right and wrong, but I realize: there is something for me to discover. And if I can't say 'no', then I just say 'yes'.

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I had the first feeling that said, "no, I don't want to. I'm taking care of myself now. I'm learning to say 'no'." But this quiet feeling, this very quiet feeling that said, "I don't want to say 'no'. I don't feel good about it. I don't feel happy with this", that was also there. And listening to that has often put me in very rewarding situations.

The first feeling said, "no, I don't want to." But this quiet feeling that said, "I don't want to say 'no'. I don't feel good about it. I don't feel happy with this", that was also there. And listening to that has often put me in very rewarding situations.

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So, you ask how I do it. I try to follow the path that I can be happy with. Sometimes I am totally happy when I just care about myself and don't worry about anything else, and that feels good. But often, that doesn't feel good and I am not happy with it. And then, finding the path that I can take so that I am happy... even if I feel like I'm not being true to myself. But something about it is right. And that's what I do. And I do it one hundred percent. I don't let the other person feel that I actually had the thought that I wanted to do something else.

Sometimes I am totally happy when I care about myself and don't worry about anything else, and that feels good. But often, that doesn't feel good. And then, finding the path that I can take so that I am happy... even if I feel like I'm not being true to myself. But something about it is right. And that's what I do.

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The other person doesn't know about all these things. I say: "Okay, I'm happy with that now, that's how I do it." And then I do it completely, and then it's good. And you learn more and more that way. This way of approaching things has served me well. Just see what you can live with. See how you can behave now so that you are happy with yourself. It is not about whether your sister is happy with you or your mother. But can you be happy with yourself? That's the touchstone for me.

Just see what you can live with. See how you can behave now so that you are happy with yourself. It is not about whether your sister is happy with you or your mother. But can you be happy with yourself? That's the touchstone for me.

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Thank you, Amala. I'm happy you're here.

[Simone:] Mikael, Chris has contacted me and would like to thank you. "Thank you, dear Mikael," he writes.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Thank you so much. Thank you for being here.

Don't take guilt personally

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[Simone:] And then there's a question from Mukunda.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Hello Mukunda.

[Simone:] "How can I not take guilt personally when the person trying not to take guilt personally is the guilty party himself?"

[Dhyan Mikael:] Yes, that's a good question.

[Simone:] "Guilt often seems very convincing and burdensome for me, almost overwhelming."

[Dhyan Mikael:] Yes, that's a really good question. That's a great Satsang. We are now back to karma. Basically, you are experiencing now why you were born again. In the previous life, you experienced things that you took totally personally: "I'm like this, I'm like that". And now you are in this life to experience it again, but this time without taking it personally. And now you are experiencing why you did not succeed in the previous life.

Now you are experiencing why we as humans have been stuck in this wheel of rebirth, as the Indians call it, since time immemorial: because it is damn difficult to experience such a feeling and say 'yes' to it – and not take it personally. It is exactly as you say. The person who feels guilty is convinced that she is guilty, and she should now say 'yes' to that. It sounds like a paradox. And that's why you need the grace of a Guru. You are somehow connected to him, and suddenly you can see and experience this from a place where you are not identified with it. It's incredible.

In the previous life, you experienced things that you took totally personally. And now you are in this life to experience it again without taking it personally. And now you are experiencing why you did not succeed in the previous life: because it is damn difficult to experience such a feeling and say 'yes' to it – and not take it personally.

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Suddenly it works. And before that, it's exactly as you say: it's impossible. How is that possible? No one can logically explain how that is supposed to work. And that's why we've been on this merry-go-round for so many lifetimes.

And that's why you need the grace of a Guru. You are somehow connected to him, and suddenly you can see and experience this from a place where you are not identified with it. It's incredible. Suddenly it works. And before that, it's exactly as you say: it's impossible.

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As I said at the beginning, we have to live through the old karma. These are the feelings that are coming to you now. This is old karma.

And the Guru helps you not to make new karma out of it now. You could experience this old stuff now, but then you immediately have the new karma. This immediately creates this new 'I' again: "I am guilty."

And it means: the Guru takes the karma of this life from you while you are living through the karma of the previous life. And that means: he enables you to live through what you have to live through in this life, without the feeling of "I am like this", "I am doing this", "I am bad", "I am guilty".

The Guru takes the karma of this life from you while you are living through the karma of the previous life. And that means: he enables you to live through what you have to live through in this life, without the feeling of "I am like this", "I am doing this", "I am bad", "I am guilty".

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I know; we here in the West... such things as Guru and Master are not at all 'en vogue' with us. We've grown up in a culture where everyone believes: everyone can do it alone.

But that's just not true.

I know; we here in the West... such things as Guru and Master are not at all 'en vogue' with us. We've grown up in a culture where everyone believes: everyone can do it alone.

But that's just not true.

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And you know, I experience that again and again. I experience it again and again. Twenty-four or twenty-five years ago I came to my spiritual Master Soham. Six and a half or almost seven years ago I came to my Guru Swamiji.

And again and again I experience it; again and again. Then I am in Satsang with my master or I have an encounter with my Guru. In June he was in Germany, and now, just last weekend, there was Gurupurnima in India, and this event was broadcast online and I was participating online. And then I experience again and again how once again another area of my life is relieved and I am freed from this burden and can simply take things as they are, without taking it personally. Again and again. And I am so grateful every time.

Then I am with my master or I have an encounter with my Guru. And then I experience again and again how another area of my life is relieved and I am freed from this burden and can simply take things as they are, without taking it personally. And I am so grateful every time.

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That is why I keep saying: meditate; start meditating. Do the introduction to meditation. You know, you don't have to start becoming a Hindu now. You don't have to start rushing off to India now. But when you start the meditation, when you do the introduction, then there is an energetic connection between you and this living God, and the rest happens by itself. I can't explain it to you. I can only tell you that I have experienced it again and again.

And that's also the reason why I make videos and Satsangs: to tell people here in this part of the world, who actually think this is completely absurd, that it's actually a super cool thing. And I don't know if that helps you in any way your problem of feeling wrong, but you're dealing with the one big challenge in human life. That is exactly what this life is all about. And that's also exactly the reason why Gurus exist: exactly because of that. Thank you, Mukunda. I am happy you're here.

Support me if it gives you joy

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I'm looking at the clock and see we have another fifteen minutes, and this time I want to say my line before the end of Satsang, because otherwise I always run out of time and then overrun. I would like to thank Devasetu from Jetzt-TV for making these Online Satsangs possible once a month, and I would like to tell you that Jetzt-TV is very grateful for donations. If you feel like it, if you feel like contributing something, then Devasetu will be very happy. And the same goes for me. Everything I do here is free, and you don't have to feel obliged in any way.

I am just happy that you are here. I am really happy that I am allowed to do Satsang and that I am allowed to make videos. And what we are talking about here is of course free of charge. The truth has no price, and it doesn't belong to me. It has nothing to do with me. I only tell what I experience with Swamiji and Soham all the time anyway. But for very practical reasons, I am also very happy when people support me financially if they feel like it. And if it gives you joy to support me, then that's a great thing.

If I have enough people supporting me, then it's very easy for me to find enough time and energy for it. And it takes a lot of time and a lot of energy. And if you want to contribute, there's the Donate page on my website where I've put the information on how to do it. And I just revised it yesterday, and it now contains everything that was missing. And it contains everything you need to take part in this. So, now I'm very proud of myself for not leaving this until the very end this time. Simone, now it's your turn again.

When God has abandoned you

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[Simone:] Yes, Chris has contacted me again and he writes: "I don't feel connected to the Guru, nor does he help me not to take it personally. I have to do it on my own after all. That's probably what the mind says, but that's how I experience it. I always get angry when you say something like that, that it's so easy and the Guru does it for us. It's not like that for me. Sorry."

[Dhyan Mikael:] Thank you, Chris. I'm always happy that you have the courage to say something like that, because it is really great. It's exactly like that. It's exactly like this. We are firmly convinced that I'm having a hard time, and that no one is helping me, and that I am wrong. That's the nature of 'I'.

It's just the way it is. And I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that it is simple. What we have to do is simple, but it's not easy. I said earlier to the other question: this is the one and the hardest task we have. It needs all our determination, all our courage, all our energy to take care of this one thing; to learn it, very gradually. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. Otherwise, we would have been liberated long ago; but it is damn hard.

We are firmly convinced that I'm having a hard time, and that no one is helping me, and that I am wrong. That's the nature of 'I'. It's just the way it is. And I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that it is simple. What we have to do is simple, but it's not easy.

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When I say it's easy, I mean: it's not complicated. It's actually quite simple, but in here, it's hard. I know.

And I know that you have the feeling that you're all alone with it.

When I say it's easy, I mean: it's not complicated.

It's actually quite simple, but in here, it's hard. I know.

And I know that you have the feeling that you're all alone with it.

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Funnily enough, this is exactly the feeling that was triggered in me today. I mentioned earlier that I also had the opportunity to welcome these old feelings back today.

And that's just how it is. We can't see how God carries us. We can't see that. On the outside, with other people, you can see it.

But not with yourself. And other people can see it with you. Me, for example. I can see it with you, how you are carried and how you are becoming more and more beautiful. But with myself, from the inside, I only see this 'I' and all these wrong things.

We can't see how God carries us. On the outside, with other people, you can see it. And other people can see it with you. Me, for example. I can see it with you, how you are carried and how you are becoming more and more beautiful. But with myself, from the inside, I only see this 'I' and all these wrong things.

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There's this lovely little story that I've told before, but it just touches me, because it describes it so beautifully. Someone goes to Heaven and meets God, and God welcomes him or her, and then they look at the person's life, what's happening. And the person has something on his mind. He looks at the movie of life with God, and you can see the footsteps in life. And then he can see from above how there were always two footsteps: the ones of himself and the ones of God, who was with him throughout his life.

And then they come to the place in life where he had an infinitely difficult time, where he was almost broken, and at that very place, there you can only see one footprint and no longer two. And then the person says: "You see, that's where I felt left alone. There I was so alone, and there you see it: you weren't with me." And that's exactly how it is for us when we feel that way.

And then God says: "Yes, I was carrying you. You couldn't walk anymore. I carried you."

And then they come to the place in life where he had an infinitely difficult time, and at that very place you can only see one footprint and no longer two. And then the person says: "There you see it: you weren't with me." And then God says: "Yes, I was carrying you. You couldn't walk anymore. I carried you."

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But we don't know anything about it. That you are allowed to live this life with your karma and this burden... that you can feel this at all... You know: if you didn't have a blessed life, you wouldn't feel any of this. You would be one of those people that you experience around you, that make your life so hard, that don't know about any of this and that don't feel any of this.

If you didn't have a blessed life, you wouldn't feel any of this. You would be one of those people that don't feel any of this. And you see what a terrible life they have; so worthless. But us, we can feel that. We can start to feel that.

Yes, it's hard.
And it's such a blessing.

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And you see how terrible it is for them. You see what a terrible life they have; so worthless. But us, we can feel that. We can start to feel that. Yes, it's hard. And it's such a blessing. But we don't know about the help. We don't know about the help that is constantly around us. And when we feel the worst, we feel it the least. And that's when God carries us, that's when life carries us.

But we don't know about the help. We don't know about the help that is constantly around us. And when we feel the worst, we feel it the least.

And that's when God carries us,
that's when life carries us.

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That's why I like the story so much: because what you report is the same for every single person in their own way.

We don't know how God carries us. People don't know either... Now this Guru, Swamiji, is here. This is pure God energy coming to earth, but people don't recognize him. They think: well, such a Guru, what am I supposed to do with him? We don't recognize the help. We simply don't recognize it.

It's like with Jesus back then. Today, everyone thinks Jesus is cool and thinks: "If he was here, I'd be one of his disciples too." But back then, when he was here, people didn't recognize him. And now, God is here again, through a different medium, and people don't recognize him either. This is how it has always been. Even though God carries us, we don't recognize him. And it is like this simply because we can't see clearly.

We don't know how God carries us. Now this Guru, Swamiji, is here. This is pure God energy coming to earth, but people don't recognize him. They think: well, such a Guru, what am I supposed to do with him? We don't recognize the help. We simply don't recognize it. It's like with Jesus back then.

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But that doesn't mean you're not being carried.

Today, everyone thinks Jesus is cool and thinks: "If he was here, I'd be one of his disciples too." But when he was here, people didn't recognize him. Now, God is here again, through a different medium, and people don't recognize him either. Even though God carries us, we don't recognize him. But that doesn't mean you're not being carried.

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I know: none of this helps. But that's just the way it is.

And saying 'yes' to that... Feeling so lost, feeling so abandoned: that's important.

It's not a punishment. That's the way out of our ego trap. There's this beautiful story of the prodigal son. He had to go out into the world and do everything wrong. In reality, he didn't do anything wrong, of course, but he went his own way and felt completely wrong and was sure that he was doing everything wrong. And he was also sure that his father, God, had abandoned him and condemned him.

And saying 'yes' to that... Feeling so lost, feeling so abandoned: that's important. It's not a punishment. That's the way out of our ego trap.

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He had to go through it to get to the point where he could turn back anyway; to the point where you are now in this life too. And that changes everything. And the Father, God, then celebrates of course, although we can't imagine that at all.

The prodigal son had to go out into the world and do everything wrong. And he was sure that his father, God, had abandoned him and condemned him. He had to go through it to get to the point where he could turn back anyway. And that changes everything. And the Father, God, then celebrates, although we can't imagine that.

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And you know, when I say it's easy... It's a matter of perspective. It just takes time, and we have nothing else to do in this life but come to terms with what's bothering us right now. That is the one task we have. And we simply hold on to the one task until we can finally, finally say 'yes' at some point. And that's what this life is for. It doesn't happen in five minutes; it doesn't happen in a year. It takes time.

Everything in life takes time. Every growth, every change takes many, many years, even in nature. Everything takes time, decades, centuries. But in the spiritual realm, there we have somehow this funny, maybe it's also a Western view that here, everything happens in a flash. But it just takes time. That's what I always talk about: being patient despite the pain and despite this despair.

Everything in life takes time. Every growth, every change takes many, many years, even in nature. But in the spiritual realm we have this funny view that everything happens in a flash. But it just takes time. That's what I always talk about: being patient despite the pain and despite this despair.

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And you are infinitely patient, that's your great strength. You've been at this point for so many years and you are still here, and that's just wow. That's why I'm so happy you are here. Thank you.

Don't tell God how to help

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[Simone:] There's one more question, Mikael. May I read it to you?

[Dhyan Mikael:] All right. With pleasure.

[Simone:] Claudia writes: "Beloved Mikael, you spoke earlier about sexual guilt. For me, it's about financial guilt and also about the guilt of having treated loved ones too harshly. At the same time, I'm in a situation where I'm dependent on help from other people, including my mother. And her help is exactly what I wanted to avoid at all costs.

I have recently started meditating. My question now is this: I feel such violent trembling in my stomach that I become very aggressive. Should this be felt purely in the body, or would it also be helpful to act it out through sport or something else? Because I'm very afraid that I'll take it out on someone again. Can you tell me something about this?"

[Dhyan Mikael:] Thank you, thank you. I'm glad I was able to hear your question today. But I'm going to go two and a half minutes over because of that. But, Simone, you're taking care of the end today, right? We're not burdening Devasetu now?

[Simone:] Right, exactly.

[Dhyan Mikael:] Good, I'm very happy about that.

It's funny.

Sometimes we are in a situation where we really need help, and then the trick is not to tell God where the help should come from, but then the trick is to accept the help that comes.

And if it comes from people who are actually difficult for you, then that is certainly also a great gift; help in a double sense, so to speak. You get the help that you were actually hoping for, and on top of that you get a second help, namely to make peace with something that you would actually rather have run away from.

And that really is an art: accepting what life brings, and not telling life how it should help me.

About the introduction to Samarpan meditation

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And about your anger.

If you feel like exercise is good for you in this, then great, do that. Move your body, get your body out in nature. Use your body; it loves that.

And meditate. And when you do the Samarpan Meditation... I talked about it earlier: if you haven't done the introduction to Samarpan Meditation yet, I highly encourage you to do it. It's very easy, fun and completely harmless, and there is an opportunity for it online once a week on Monday evenings with the people from samarpanmeditation.de. But there are also other dates where you can do it. In Germany, near Frankfurt, you can also do it once a week on site. If you do this, what happens for you in meditation will change, simply because you then get a completely different connection.

I just wanted to mention that for the sake of completeness. There really is a difference. I often forget to say that because when I first learned about Samarpan Meditation, I did an introduction right at the beginning. That was the very first thing; that's how I got to know it, and that's why it was never an issue for me again later on. But I keep meeting people who have started the meditation because they have heard about it or perhaps because I have talked about it, but who have never heard of such an introduction. But there really is a difference.

Something happens that I can't explain to you. I tried to tell you a little bit earlier, through my experiences when I got close to my Guru Swamiji. Some kind of grace is transmitted from this medium of God: you can't see it, you can't feel it, you can't taste it. You only realize afterwards that your life changes and that things you always had a problem with become easier. It is as if a whole new quality has entered meditation. And because this is so normal for me, because I don't really know any other way, I always forget to mention it. But do it if you haven't done it yet.

It's very easy, it is free and it's interesting and very nice. On my website, on the Meditation page, I have put together all the links you need for it. There you will find the link to the information on Online Introduction which is always available on Mondays, and I recommend this to you.

And then you can meditate... Then it will be easier for you to let it all be where it is, namely in your body, and to connect with what will heal it all.

That's how I experience it in my life. I have stopped worrying about all these things. I meditate and experience how the solution and the healing flows into me without me knowing specifically how it works. And of course I do exactly what you suggested: what seems helpful to me in practical life, the inspiration I get for it, the desire I get for it, of course I listen to that. If you have the feeling that sports would be good, I would definitely do it. Yes. Do sports, get enough sleep and meditate.

Make sure you have enough time alone with yourself, with your soul.

So, now we have to stop. Thank you for your question, and thank you for being here. Thank you so much for letting me do and experience Satsang with you.

I love you.